Jol

Just wanted to flag up this piece on Jol written by a friendly Spurs blogger.

Martin Jol, the man in charge, guided us to our first top five finish in fifteen years, repeated the feat the next season and was unceremoniously sacked two months into the 2007-08 season.

Is the long and short of it, but needless to say he’s well thought of there.

We’re going to have to wait and see, aren’t we?  I like a lot of the players Jol used at Spurs and wonder which we’ll see at Fulham.

Hopefully not Robbie Keane (we need to be going the other way, getting younger players) but someone like Jenas strikes me as a perfect reclamation project.  Players seem to come and go in Redknapp’s estimations and there’s not always a good reason for it (last year he discovered the concept of a holding midfielder, for instance!).   Jenas is a good player (Mourinho always rated him) who hasn’t built on his encouraging start in football.   I’d like to see him at Fulham (although it doesn’t help that Redknapp is sniffing around Dembele) as a possible successor to Danny Murphy.  Different kind of player but one who I think would benefit from playing regularly.  Could combine well with Sidwell, too (if they’re not too similar).

Afterthoughts:

From the Zonal Marking comments sections, which are half interesting.

From here:

Anything that comes along that is different to that is bound to cause the opposition problems – look at Ajax and their enormous goal difference. It would be fair to say that Jol is an atypical Dutch coach, in that he believes in zonal defending, which lends a team a better shape for counter-attacking.

Which is interesting, and would make sense given his time in England (the context was that a lot of Dutch teams go man-for-man in the midfield still). He did still use the conventional Dutch 4-3-3, albeit with Suarez playing more narrow on the right.

(Elsewhere on the site we have a reminder of when Jol used Aaron Lennon as a ‘central winger’ against Chelsea, and a couple of posts about how Jol was a big fan of Michael Carrick (he believed that only he and SAF really understood how much Carrick brought to the team, winning the ball, turning defence to attack).   Finally, there are a number of comments from Dutch fans talking about Dutch coaches, and Jol seems quite well thought of.)

10 thoughts on “Jol

  1. Hmmm “Fulham’s obviously a big step down for Jol” hate to say it but the one from North London’s got a point, something seems a bit wierd about the whole Hughes leaving, Jol appointed a few days later thing. I saw what Rich wrote about it being possibly a done deal in December, and I’m sure the club know what there doing, and big wages being alked about etc, but realistically how long can we expect him to stick around? If things go really well, the best posible result is we finish top 10 and WIN a cup, then surely he’ll be off to a “bigger” club. If next season goes roughly to plan then we’ll basically be where we are now and will that be enough for Jol? If it goes really badly… Well lets not think where we could end up, back in the championship with big sam as manager!? No surely not, no ones daft enough to give him a job…

    1. If we have a good year EVERY year but lose our manager at the end of EVERY season then it seems to me that we’re all winners.

      The fans, the players, the club and both departing and incoming managers.

      Reality is that Jol will stay so long as it suits him or us. The concept of getting in a manager that we know will succeed and want to stay for ever is completely unrealistic. Successful managers look to move up and unsuccessful ones get sacked.

      I think I’m right in saying that since Bedford Jezzard left in 1964 the longest managerial stay was Coleman at 4 years. The average would be about 18 months with most being sacked.

      1. That was the disappointing thing with Hodgson. It did feel as if it would last. Should have known better given his CV, but there we are.

        1. The lesson there is that we shouldn’t think we know these guys. We know their CVs and form an impression from TV interviews, occasional punditry and by listening to bits of gossip.

          The Hodgson who managed Liverpool seemed nothing like the Hodgson who managed Fulham and I’m left with no idea who the real Hodgson is. Same applies to Hughes and Jol – all I want is for them to manage the club successfully. What they think or how they might get on with certain players is irrelevant, unknowable fluff.

          Same applies to the Clint Dempsey stuff. I hope he stays and continues to play well. What his ambitions are and what he wants from life he can keep to himself.

          1. Absolutely, which was the point Honigstein was trying to make about Jol the other day: a charming interviewer does not a great manager make.

            We’ll see. Each managerial job brings new challenges and Jol’s will be to understand what he has on his hands and what he needs to do to make it a) how he wants it and b) win some games while he’s making these changes. He’s not an idiot so he’ll hopefully see that he can put the team on autopilot for some time without too much bother, but I am curious to see what happens next (on and off the field – Chris hughton would be nice).

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